Goodbye to FTA Dealers in North America

I always bought my satellite products at Sadoun.com but he doesn't carry much these days. The best place for fta satellite products today is tek2000.com They are like a c band satellite superstore!

Tek2000 is shady at best.
The Zgemma receiver was advertised by Tek2000 to have North American FTA EPG, This was False and never happened.
The Zgemma was advertised by Tek2000 to have blindscan, and had a slow Service scan instead.
Tek2000 also pretended that 4:2:2 would be added,to his Zgemma but it never happened.

Tek2000 advertises some of his dishes to be commercial or commercial grade when in reality they are cheap dishes from China, and would not meet commercial standards.

Tek2000 does not have a contact phone number, and does not list a physical address. Sadoun, and most of the few consumer fta dealers that are left list a working phone number.

I do not see Tek2000 as being much of a FTA dealer because he cannot be trusted. Anyway, if you want to advertise him or make comments about your purchases from him, then you can post in our section for that. (See Link)

https://legitfta.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?413-Where-to-Buy
 
Technomate is Pricey? Hardly. Unless you compare with the twenty dollar receivers on Ebay.
The most expensive Technomate, (a 4K receiver) is around $250-300 U.S. shipped. Most other Technomate models seem to be in the $100-$200 dollar range. It would be nice to see someone carry this line of receivers in North America.

I paid about $1000 for a 4DTV receiver (DSR922) plus $whatever for the HD addon plus $whatever for a VCRS module. So, I'm willing to pay for a well built receiver that does what the specs say it does. Bottom line is that I can't complain about the price of FTA receivers but I do complain about the bugs that never get fixed. The osmio4k is the best receiver I've seen in over a decade but it has some quirks - for example, firmware that doesn't do 5 GHz wifi (there is a workaround for this).
 
The MIO is advertised as dual band wifi. I do not understand what else would need to be added to make a feature that is already supposed to work. You may start a thread on this if you wish to explain better what was needed to make the wifi work correctly.
 
Jeff S. has posted about a new ATSC 3.0 receiver for years. without producing one. He is not really welcome to post at other sites besides Hypermegasat.
If Manhattan Digital is to survive, he needs to make some changes in the way he operates his business, and the way he makes announcements about new products that he does not have. We will see what the future holds for Manhattan Digital...
 
It's interesting. Forgive me if this is a little verbose, but you all have reminded me of some things about which I've been thinking for a while.

There is a direct parallel between how Europe handled DVB receivers and how they handled mobile phones. I remember in 2005, I went to the CTIA show (the big conference in the U.S. for the mobile phone industry) and there was really no U.S. handset innovation going on. What there was, was all back-end, carrier-side stuff. On the other hand, in one corner of the show floor was a vibrant set of large and small (mostly small) vendors with zillions of innovative apps for GSM handsets on 5 different operating systems.

It seemed to me like Europe apparently didn't do anywhere near as much carrier/SIM locking as the U.S. did. This is just my impression, but people bought whatever handset they wanted, and were pretty comfortable sticking their SIM in it, and changing as they found something they liked better.

Similarly, I was a subscriber to the old Tele-Satellite magazine for years, and one glance at that made it clear that there was nowhere near as much locking of turnkey-receivers to one downlink provider in Europe as there was in the U.S. There were a plethora of providers, and people got CAMs and smartcards and plugged in the ones for whatever programming they wanted. This obviously added some complexity, which is why some receivers had multiple slots, but there were receivers that looked like decorative art objects, PVRs, and everything in between.

I think part of the challenge is that in the U.S. one of the two major DBS services was built upon standards that pre-dated DVB (DirecTV) and only one was actually using vanilla DVB (D!SH, at least until they started "turbo" modulations). Plus, just as with the Apple model, there are some user experience benefits to coherent management of both the hardware and content from a single provider, even if, in the process, one's choices get constrained.

I don't want to get too far afield, but what's interesting is how the main providers in the U.S. seemed to fall into different sides of certain spectra. For example, my personal take was that DirecTV looked like someone cranked the sharpness control up too high, with all kinds of distracting edges and artifacts, while D!SH looked (to me) like someone smeared petroleum jelly all over the lens for a glamour shot.

That's why I paid for Canadian satellite TV for 5 years - Even though the Motorola receivers had a UI that looked like something steam-powered from the Soviet Union, the picture quality was pretty close to what the C-band people were getting with the DSR-922s and an HD decoder.

What's funny is that the whole time, the FCC has been fanatical about trying to decouple the "navigation device" (a.k.a set-top box) from the particular content provider, to the maximal extent possible - which is why the CableCARD happened.

I was sort of hoping that we'd see some kind of renaissance with ATSC, despite its yet-again-not-world-standard basis, and arguably daunting complexity. What's funny is that a lot of the additional services in ATSC are basically IP data streams, so you'd think that app developers would eventually rise to the occasion.

I think the parallel I see with development of new services and hardware for ATSC (and even satellite TV) is similar to what we saw with the early Internet. I helped build the early commercial Internet, so I remember what it was like to go head-to-head with incumbent industries who believed in their hearts that they should "own the app" (vs transport), but profoundly failed at understanding how to build applications that people actually wanted to use. The telcos SUCKED at trying to create applications that were even remotely interesting, but an open-standard platform allowed everyone with an idea to try to create a thing.

In short, the Europeans kind of whupped the U.S. in the early development of consumer options for mobile phone services and hardware (at least pre-iPhone), as well as DTH/DBS satellite television hardware, but it was sort of the reverse for development of Internet services and applications.

Now, for extra credit, who remembers the connection between FedEx and the development of DBS satellite TV in the United States?
 
I worked for NEC during the 1980's. We had a system called VSAT (Very small aperture terminal) It was used for point to point credit card transactions via satellite. During that time frame FedEx had their own system that looked similar to our VSAT system. FedEx grew fast and NEC being a Japanese owned company dropped out of the satellite business. I remember that Hughes Network Systems made the outdoor Unit (ODU) for FedEx. It was about the size of a football and did both transmit and receive while mounted to the 1 meter dish. I'm sorry that I did not keep track of the companies that popped up after NEC dropped out.

The FedEx VSAT program was for Zap Mail. They had high hopes that electronic mail would replace letter delivery. They started In 1984 and they dropped the program in 1986.
 
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norman881 wins the prize. I wound up doing some work for Hughes not too long after ZapMail petered out. I think the thing that enabled it was that it was one of the first generations of satellites with transponder power high enough to receive on an 18" dish with decent link budget.

I did some consulting at Hughes not too long after all of that, and it was funny - they used to burn through satellite videoconferencing time like people use WebEx today. I guess it's easy if you built and own the satellites. :)
 
I am pretty sure there will not be any more fta satellite receivers from Manhattan I say this by looking at the incoherent posts of Jeff S.
Here is one example from June 12, 2019:

Mike, no we do not have a release date because the stack and other APL SW needs to be done with this new chipset. The chipset company is not supporting ATSC 3.0 like our current chipset provided us. The reason is unlike the false news in the market that all countries will adapt to ATSC 3.0, which is not true.

There are only a few companies that are going to offer the ATSC 3.0 products and very few companies that have their chipset available with the support for ATSC 3.0. The current chipset provides the support and we have the boards ready in front of us. But now we cannot use them. Others are slow to respond to the exclusive market. Like the Koreans, the ATSC organization wants residuals off this technology even though the taxpayers paid for the development. That includes Dolby, which you have to incorporate into the box their standards. That adds about $1.40 for each box for their residual. Even though the program is not in Dolby. These are the kickback deals congress and the FCC has made that are useless. Plus why other countries will not support/adapt to this format. To corrupt!

The lost of our current chipset will costs about 250k in development costs and about 1-4 million in sales. We could sue the government over this, but they have no money either since we are paying about a billion a week in interest for our current debt.

I sent Casey the information on the difference between ATSC 3.0 and T2. I think you will find it very interesting and informative.

We have left the ATSC group and did not renew our status with them. I can go on, but we are stuck with this systeem and have to move forward.

We still hope to bring out the higher-end unit this fall in Android 9. Where we are going to manufacture this, we have options, including the USA. We just have to do the costs analysis to determine the best course for us and the market.

Will post once we know and more details of the product. There will be some surprises as well!

Regards,

Jeff Schumann
Manhattan-Digital

So he claims to have lost 250 thousand dollars in development costs, which is really hard to believe. Anyway, we will assume that he actually did lose 250 thousand dollars due to poor management.
 
This rambling from Jeff was posted yesterday.

Hi Everyone!

I just wanted to update you that we are still working on this product. There are so many moving pieces to this project including the SW development. We have changed processors several times as new/better chipset are coming out. The one we decided on is not even available at this time, but in Q4 of this year.

So it will take about 3-4 months for SW development as the SDK (Software Development Kit) is just coming out. So I think we will be ready 1st quarter of next year. We can incorporate the S2X part of it into the SW (software) using the proper tuners/demodulators. We do have permission to incorporate NORAD into the SW for the motor drive control. I think that will be an update later.

The costs of the SW is 480k plus residuals up to 7 million for support. So this is not cheap product that anyone can do. To get into standards of Dolby AC4 and others was very difficult. The good news, other services to replace old expensive ones are coming in. Like the HEVC protocol is being changed with another company with an open format system. Plus HDMI & Dolby lowered their pricing which helps.

This is the hardest product we have done, but once completed, we should have a great hybrid box with Android 11 installed in it.

We will be bringing a sample box for the S2X which indicates it runs 4.2.2 in MPEG4. I guess we will see upon testing. That will be incorporated into this hybrid box after.

The hard part of this is we have to finish the SW financing with a Crowd Funding Source. I do not want to do traditional loan for this SW. Talking with the finance people it did not make sense. Especially after the Hisilicon issue and what we spent on that development that never happened.

So I will be asking for your support in this area.

We are going to use the State of Wisconsin's Crowd Funding System. So we are going to sell 2000 shares at $200.00 each. to raise the funding needed to support the SW and final product.
The pay-back will be an ATSC 3.0, Android 11 OS quad tuner unit ($250.00). Very close to the model listed and possibly a subscription to our new OTT service called BLENDTV.

All of the HW & SW design will be done here in Wisconsin. We are not sure on the factory as preliminary costs indicate it was too high for Wisconsin. Our discussions with this factory and others around the country think they can meet our price objective. So we are confident we can perform made in the USA. If not we have off shore capabilities that does not include China if needed to bring the costs down.

This whole virus thing, plus some medical issues I have to deal with has set us back. I think everyone is in the same situation. I have an issue with my spine and having spinal surgery next week. It was delayed due to the virus as I'm having a difficult time dealing with the pain. It should all work out well!

Let me know your thoughts regarding this product and funding. I wish everyone good health and most important, stay safe!

MY best,

Jeff Schumann
Manhattan-Digital LLC

Back again with the 4:2:2 video codec.
The new twist here is he wants the public to finance his fantasy receiver. He claims to have lost 250 thousand dollars last year, and only wants to borrow 400 thousand from the public this year. This is ridiculous!

More or less, The manufacture of new fta receivers is shut down, or put on hold due to the Covid Pandemic. This is why there are very few new fta receiver models this year. Investing real money to develop and bring a new fta/atsc 3.0 receiver to market now is Ludicrous.

Anyway, it is unfortunate that Jeff S. cannot manage his company, and does not have any money to buy a pallet of receivers from China. All of this development talk from Jeff S. for the past 4 years has been rubbish.
 
I happened to be looking around for ATSC 3.0 receivers today. It looks like both North American and Global USB tuner sticks are out there now, but they're not cheap. They're in the $700-900 range right now. The ones I found do have a free SDK and a free TSreader plugin though, which is about all I want anyway.

There is also a company that has already fabbed a set-top box for the test/diagnostic market that is now taking deposits for pre-orders of their crippled (no USB ports, etc) version called something like the "Zapperbox." They're planning to offer them to early adopters for $249 with a $99 upfront deposit.

Their contention seems to be that by restricting I/O port access and configurability they'll maximize the likelihood that the box will pass muster as a conditional access device. Sadly they're probably correct. I've seen how content owners drive minute details of technical architecture through the whole supply and delivery chain when it comes to things like encryption, for example.

They are asserting that since ALL content is delivered as IP network streams, having something like a USB port for outboard DVR storage would scare away people who want to protect their content, and that said content is much harder to protect than if it's whatever it is now. (I'm guessing they mean MPEG transport/program streams.)

Obviously, this is a bit of a canard. Data are data at the end of the day and if you can move data through your box, things can happen to it in transit or storage.

This annoys me a little. I literally helped launch the product category called "Virtual Private Networking" some time back, and people have been working on protecting bidirectional IP flows for 30 years. I think it may be fair to say there's more useful maturity around methodology to protect IP flows than video flows at this point in time.

I understand their rationale, but I feel that it's overkill.
 
Besides Ebay or Amazon, I would have a hard time finding 10 fta dealers or even 10 places that sell consumer fta receivers or equipment in North America today. Interest or the desire for fta equipment has dropped rapidly in the past 5 years. The idea of harvesting abandoned used c band dishes from the backyard of someone's home is not as attractive as it was 5-10 years ago. Most of these used mesh dishes are junk now, but some good used dishes can still be found. In other words, it is getting harder to find consumer grade fta parts.

Pansat was sued out of business by DishNet over a decade ago. Pansat re-emerged as LinkBox. The latest receiver from LinkBox is the 500 model. It looks like it was assembled from spare parts, and has specs that are around 5 years old. This new Linkbox model will have to compete with the cheap China fta receivers on Ebay. The cheap China fta receivers have more features than the LinkBox 500, and cost about half the price. I do not see how LinkBox expects to compete by releasing such a low level receiver, but there is a pandemic which has devastated the fta market. Pandemic or not, LinkBox will have a tough time selling their new receiver in this part of the world due to the better equipped and cheaper receivers for sale on Ebay.
 
Even WOS is having a hard time getting some receivers for inventory such as Formuler GTV. On 12-03-2020 they thought they would have delivery with in a week. Yesterday, WOS posted Formuler CC now in stock. The pandemic plus brexit has caused inconveniences to all.
 
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