Get the Maximum Satellite Signal From Your Antenna System

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Typical suggestions for setting up a satellite dish for fta are: Properly aim the dish at the target satellite and adjust the dish for maximum Q signal strength on your fta receiver. These are a couple of very basic steps that can lead to a tv signal being received from the satellite. The signal from the satellite may or may not be at its maximum strength after doing these things.

The lnb is an important piece in any satellite system. The job of the lnb is to receive satellite signals, amplify them, and convert the received signals to a lower frequency that the fta receiver can understand. A typical fta lnb may cost under twenty U.S. dollars and be advertised to have a nf rating of .1db. There may also be some advertisements that say how well the lnb works and that it increases the satellite signal.

All fta lnbs increase the satellite signal because they have amplifiers in them. The lnb that is best suited for a particular dish will be matched as close as possible for the specifications of the dish.
A satellite dish should have a f/d ratio in its spec sheet. About the best matching we can do in a typical offset dish fta system is to find a lnb that has a f/d ratio that equals the f/d ratio of the dish. This is not as easy as it sounds because the spec sheet for some dishes are not easily found, and the f/d ratio of a particular lnb is not easy to find either. A satellite dish system that has the lnb matched to the dish will usually work better than systems where the lnb is not matched to the dish.

The coax or feed line that connects the satellite receiver to the lnb is a very critical area that is often overlooked in fta dish systems. RG59, RG6, and RG11 are all common types of coax cables that are used in fta systems. What type of coax cable you will need depends on the distance between the fta receiver and the lnb. It is a good idea to calculate the loss of your coax cable before you install it. Usually replacing a dish with another one that is a size or two bigger only results in a gain of 2-3 db. Replacing a coax cable that has lots of signal loss with one that is more efficient may result in a signal gain of 5 to 10db, depending on the system and circumstances.

The way to calculate the effective db gain of a satellite dish system is to add all the db gains and subtract all the db losses.
For example, we have a dish that gives 30 db of gain and a lnb that has a rating of 50 db gain. This would give us a total of 80 db in gains.
The same fta system has a loss of 10 db in the coax feed line, 3 db of loss in a switch, and another 1.5 db of loss in the connectors. The total losses in db would be 14.5
Subtract 14.5 from 80 and you have an effective 64.5 db gain for this satellite antenna system.

Noise is a big concern in satellite dish systems. The ground or the area behind the dish has more noise than the sky, so we want the lnb to illuminate as much of the dish as possible without illuminating any area behind the dish. A lnb that is not matched to a satellite dish will probably illuminate either part of the dish or the entire area of the dish, and part of the area behind the dish.

Most fta receivers have a Q signal meter that is supposed to represent the received strength of the satellite signal. In reality, these Q signal meters show the strength of the signal from the satellite, plus the noise that is being generated in the dish antenna system. This is one reason why it is possible to have a Q signal reading of 80 on a 30 inch dish when aimed at a particular satellite and a Q signal of 80 on a 1.2 meter dish aimed at the same satellite signal and using the same fta receiver.

A mismatched lnb may also show a high Q signal reading when the actual satellite signal is poor. I have seen a Q signal of 75-80 with a prime focus ku lnb installed on a 1.2 meter offset dish, but the picture was pixelating. Proper matching of the dish parts is important!
Also, some lnbs work better on long runs of coax over 125ft or 40 meters. These lnbs may show a higher Q signal on a short run of coax when compared to another lnb.

BER can be an abbreviation for Bit Error Rate. In short, a BER signal meter analyzes the received signal for errors. The lower the error rate, the better the signal is being received. I think BER is a much better way of looking at the received satellite signal than the unreliable Q signal meter. It is possible to have a high Q signal reading, and at the same time have a high BER.
Most fta receivers do not have a BER function that works but this feature is beginning to be available in some fta receivers.

Simple and inexpensive things usually work pretty good in a fta dish antenna system. It is a good idea to know how much and where your db losses are in your antenna system. It is also a good idea to match the parts so they will work well together, and at the same time, try to minimize your losses. EB
 
The attached pictures are of DishPro lnbs designed for Dish Network. Notice the oval shape to the feed horn. These lnbs are designed to match a particular Dish Network dish.
 

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Listed below are some specs for an Invacom lnb.
Invacom TWH-031
Universal Twin LNB 0.3dB Horn

A high performance universal LNB with an integrated feed-horn, and 2 independent outputs.
Typically used with fixed dishes to supply 2 receivers, in areas where the signal strength is poor.
Input Frequency: 10.7 ~ 12.75 GHz
Output Frequency: 950 ~ 2150 MHz
Noise Figure: 0.3 dB typical
Gain: 50 ~ 60dB
Interface: 40mm clamp
Ideal Dish F/D: 0.6

Here are the specs for my 1.2 meter dish.
Antenna Size 1.2 Meter / 120 CM
Offset Angle 27.3 deg.
Aperture Efficiency 80%
Horizontal Axis 120 cm
Vertical Axis 135 cm
Gain @ 12.5 GHz 43dB
Focal Length 60 cm
F/D Ratio .5
Mount Type U-Bolt Az / El with Fine Tuning Adjustment
Azimuth Ajustment 360 deg.
Elevation Adjustment 0 -90 deg.
Mast Diameter 76 mm / 3"
Operating Temperature -40 C - +60 C
Operational Windspeed 90 km/H
Survival Windspeed 180 km/H
Finish Polyester Powder Coating
Material Gavanized Steel
LNB Mount Type Ku Universal 40 mm / 23 mm clamp
LNB Mount Type Cband Standard Cband feedhorn holder
Color Charcoal-shading varies with color dye lots

Probably the best way to match a 1.2 meter offset dish to a lnb will be to use an adjustable feed horn.
Adjustable offset feed horns can be found from several sources.

I have about decided to get a Raven feed horn and Invacom universal twin lnb to install on my 1.2 meter dish. Installing these parts will probably give me the best reasonable performance that I can expect on this particular dish system.
 

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A Raven feed horn and a new adjustable feed horn for an offset ku dish have been ordered. These parts should be here in the next week or two.

Recently I upgraded the coax on my ku dish from RG6 to RG11. Installing a lnb with a feed horn that is a good match for the ku offset dish will be the last practical thing I can do to get the maximum signal on a 1.2 meter ku dish.EB
 
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I noticed a slight gain in the satellite signal a couple of weeks ago when I replaced the lnb's RG6 coax feed with a good grade of Direct Burial RG11 from CommScope. I also noticed over 1db gain in the SNR (Signal to Noise Ratio) on one of my fta receivers.

Today, I picked up an average of 2 signal points of Quality on my Raptor fta receiver, plus about another db and a half in SNR! The only changes made today were installing an Invacom 031 universal quad lnb and a Raven feed horn.
The Raven feed horn is a very professional made piece, and it weighs almost 1 pound. The distance across the face of this Raven ku feed horn is 75mm. This is a very large area when compared to a regular fta ku lnb.
The Invacom quad lnb also weighs about 1 pound, and the assembled weight of the lnb and feed horn was shown to be 1 pound, 13.8 ounces on a good a/c freon scale.

Adding two pounds of weight to my lnb feed is not something I really wanted to do. The ku dish motor will have to work harder, plus having that much weight pulling on the face of the dish can cause the dish to distort and lose signal.
My dish is a 1.2 meter Geosat, and I think it will be able to handle the additional two pounds of lnb weight over a period of time without any problems.
Making these additions to the dish was not cheap. The cost of the lnb and the Raven feed horn was about $150.00 U.S. with money conversions and shipping included.

Overall, I am very pleased with the performance of the Invacom lnb and Raven feed horn. I am probably at the limit as to what a fta 1.2 meter dish is capable of receiving without going into expensive commercial grade parts.

There will be another adjustable feed horn arriving next week. It will be interesting to see if it can out perform the Raven feed horn which is not adjustable. EB
 
The Invacom lnb and Raven feed horn gave about a 3 point Q signal increase on the Optibox Raptor for the CBS feed on 22 West. a gain of about 1.4 db in SNR was also noticed.

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A 3 point signal gain was also noticed on KTEL at 87 West.

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Here are a couple of pictures showing the Invacom quad and the Raven feed horn mounted on the Geosat 1.2 meter dish.

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There was a very noticeable improvement in signal stability after installing these two parts. This is really what I was after. The quality and SNR readings do not mean a whole lot. Being able to watch tv in unfavorable weather conditions is the real test of a ku dish system! EB
 
The Invacom and Raven feed horn have shown a small but noticeable improvement over the past several days when compared to the previous WSU ESX 522U-FE lnb. Picture breakup and pixealtion on RTVGE International at 15 West has decreased by a noticeable amount. I have been able to watch this channel before, but it would start having reception problems every time it got cloudy, started drizzling or light rain. Now, this channel does not break up until after it starts raining.

The Q signal has stayed up by an average of 2 points on most channels. Q signal readings vary on all 4 receivers that are connected to the lnb. You cannot depend much on a Q signal reading on a fta receiver because they vary too much between receiver models.

One or two lnbs that I have tested in the past gave me a fake Q signal increase. I would see the Q signal go up, but notice that the picture would glitch or breakup easier. This is why I like to run a new lnb for a few days and see how it does overall and in different weather conditions.
All sorts of lnbs have been tested on this Geosat 1.2 meter dish. Some lnbs have worked a little better than others. The new PLL lnbs that I have tested on this dish do not work well overall. The Q signal meter went up on some channels when a PLL lnb was installed, but the signal was lost completely on other channels. It was also interesting to note that the lnb S signal went from around 90 to 100 when a PLL lnb was installed on this dish.These lnbs did not stay on the dish long enough to see if the Q signal increase was fake because of the complete signal loss for some channels.

I have one more feed horn to test. This is an adjustable feed horn and it will be interesting to see if it can outperform or equal the Raven feed horn. EB
 
Hello EB
have you try this feed ANDREW 611678316 KU-BAND TX-RX FEED FOR 123-33.5 HORN VSAT, they have some on ebay for sale, they are used, but the price is right on.
check it out.
Chewie
 
Do you have a 1.2 meter or bigger offset dish?
I could not resist buying one of the 611678316 pieces. It will be interesting to see how it performs! EB
 
I have the geosat pro 1.2 dish , i try to order one and forgot the PW for paypal. i will order one, the price is right.
Chewie
 
I purchased the ANDREW 611678316 KU-BAND TX-RX Feedhorn a few months ago but never got around to testing its limits on the Geosat 1.2 meter dish. This feedhorn is designed for a commercial transmit and receive environment. The flange is similar to a c120 flange, but it is not a direct match to a c120 lnb. I drilled some extra holes in the feedhorn flange so I could attach it to my Invacom lnb.
This Andrew feedhorn did not perform as good as the Raven feedhorn. It is possible that I did not match the holes correctly for the c120 lnb and maybe had the waveguide mismatched a bit on the inside. Whatever the reason, it did not perform as well as the raven piece for me so I have put it in my collection of spare parts.

I have also had a chance to test an Invacom ADF-120 adjustable feedhorn for prime focus dishes. This feedhorn is mounted on a 1.8 meter prime focus Fortec dish and performs much better than the prime focus BSC321 SP standard lnb from DMS international. An adjustable feedhorn such as the ADF-120 allows you to tune for the maximum signal that your dish system will allow.


Attached are a few pictures of the Andrews feedhorn. Maybe one day I will find a suitable dish for this heavy monster. EB
 
hello EB
Thanks for these pictures, I am getting ready to test my ANDREW 611678316 KU-BAND TX-RX Feed horn, I read somewhere that the filter needs to be removed because it set up to allow certain frequencies.
I order a multiswitch for it getting this week, right now I am trying to figure out how to hook it up so is also motorize.
here is a picture of my setup.
Regards
Chewie
 
The filter is in there to keep the TX signal out of the RX signal. You do not need to keep it since you are not transmitting.

Post a picture of the backside of your dish. It may be easy to put a motor on it.
 
thanks EB I do have a motor on it, I just been reading to much on the this type of setup and switches and just want to make sure i can move the dish to another sats.
But I will make it work some how.
Regards.
Chewie
 
Thanks EB
I installed a multiswitch between the motor and the lnb's and is working fine with what I have, I did noticed a improvement on Q signal about 7 to 10%. i had a splitfire lnb before.
i am going to play with the dish alignment, I think is off a bit.
I will get better lnb's later.
Regards.
Chewie
 
The small lnbs like the Spitfire appear to work best on dishes that are around 90cm and smaller. I doubt you will see much of an improvement with expensive lnbs. Be sure to post your results when you get them installed! EB
 
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